Rebuilding the Frigate UI for 0.14 #11136
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This is awesome! |
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by default it is the last 24 hours, or a specific day can be selected on the calendar |
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Perfect |
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24 hours by default, then the specific day when choosing a date which would include the morning and evening of that day. It's always easy to look at last night each morning. |
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Amazing work! Looking forward to this. 👏🏼 |
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Oh man, I can't wait to jump on that beta! I'm excited about the alerts function and scrubbing!! Outstanding work guys! Edit: When you say you plan to release the beta soon... you mean like in a few hours, right? lol |
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It is somehow possible to configure one object to alert in multiple zones, while another object alerts in one zone, and only detects in another? |
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yes, just set which objects each zone applies to. You can configure this in the UI by editing your zone and setting which objects apply to that zone |
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Yep. I currently do this. On my driveway camera, I have alerts set to person and car, but on my front yard camera, only person alerts where other labels are marked for detection. The alerts and detections configuration are per camera. |
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I think I phrased my question improperly. In the UI, in individual zone settings, it seems like I can only enable or disable objects for the zone, but not for alerts and detections specifically, but I'd want to accomplish the following: Person enters ZONE 1 and then crosses into ZONE 2 - alert for both So I guess I'm looking for a required_zones setting on a per object basis. |
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you would need 3 zones to accomplish this zone 2, required for alerts and has person and car object |
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Awesome stuff, really looking forward to it!
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Frigate+ has been available for about 8 months now, you just need to email blake@frigate.video to request access |
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looks very promising. Will there be a version optimized for mobile devices? |
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the UI has been built with both desktop and mobile views in mind |
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I just tried the dev build and the new interface really is a vast improvement on both the desktop and mobile. The switching from static to live images on motion is a very neat trick and superbly implemented. The loading times are also so fast that they might replace my existing professional NVR altogether and the new Motion Tuner and Frigate+ Score Range filter are two really helpful details. Overtall, very well done and a big improvement in the right direction. The only issue I found so far is that the interface elements on the mobile version are quite small and hard to hit at the moment . |
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Looks very impressive and looking forward to the beta. It looks like your revenue from Frigate+ was well spent and I will gladly support you with this effort... I am one of those that completely dumped my proprietary NVR system and adopted Frigate. |
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I don't speak for the project but personally I can see the integration sensors and services progressing but I think the media browser gets replaced with a link to the frigate ui in the sidebar |
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Like @NickM-27, I am only a contributor to the project so I can't speak to future goals and direction. But the new UI does not provide automation features, notifications, or sensors. Home Assistant and Frigate work very well together, and there has been no discussion to change that whatsoever. |
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Completely understandable.. I personally find myself using the Frigate Proxy more often to review events, etc and just use HA for the alerts and quick viewing of the cameras. |
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FWIW my vote would be against dropping the media browser - it's really useful and is an easy way to integrate with media players in HA (e.g. cast device) |
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When I saw the title I thought "oh they are finally making it possible for non-experts to configure Frigate. Maybe I will never have to type 'nano config.yml' again because I entered one wrong character and now Frigate won't start". |
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frigate has supported a config editor for over a year now, this config editor checks your file validity before restarting among other benefits like lint checking and auto complete. so there really is no reason to be using nano |
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also, the new UI does make more things configurable directly from the UI |
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Motion/object masks, motion parameters, and new camera groups can be configured from the new UI without editing the config file, but configuring every parameter from frigate exclusively from the UI is a massive development undertaking. I suspect frigate will get there eventually. |
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And yet somehow a user with a significantly developed homelab and over a year of Frigate experience still makes configuration errors and has trouble understanding how Frigate works. What do you attribute that to exactly? Low IQ? Moral failing? |
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Maybe just frustration getting the best of you. We've all been there. Always be ready to poke at the logs when things go south. It also took me a while to get used to Frigate's configuration. |
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No, the answer is obviously that Frigate is difficult to configure properly and not well documented. Let me be clear that this is NOT a complaint. I'm just stating my opinion that a camera viewing GUI is low-priority compared to a configuration UI. That's it. |
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I have to disagree, the inability to review motion footage is a big pain point for us and I have found Frigate's documentation to be better than many other projects that I have used. It does have a learning curve but after some time spent it is pretty straightforward in my opinion |
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A configuration UI would be nice, but obviously that wasn't part of the original set of goals, and has been set back in favor of high quality and accurate object detection. Also, did you know that you can copy/paste the example "full configuration" from the docs into your own file and start removing things that you aren't changing? If you're still having trouble, maybe start over by doing that. |
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It would be nice to have an "Add camera" wizard and camera config editor in the UI to be fair but now my cameras are setup I rarely need to touch the config whereas I do quite often review footage so I'm pretty excited for this. I'd say for most people the ability to view footage is likely to be more important. |
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yes, that will come in some future version |
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This is awesome to see, we might fully drop Blue Iris when this launches if it solves all of our needs |
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I did that nearly two years ago. |
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I have been checking in on progress/using a dev build every few weeks the past few weeks and I was always wondering/waiting for the Debug view for the camera I just started using the latest dev build and wow, you guys have done a great job! I was blind and missing the Settings page and it is really great! Nice work, especially @hawkeye217 and @NickM-27, I know you guys have been busy! |
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I just pulled the dev build today as well.. any pointers from your end so far? :) |
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Nope, seems to be running pretty well! If I experience anything strange I would politely open an issue and follow best reporting practices to not be a headache for the active developers who are managing a pretty large userbase! Running a dev build I would take on additional responsibility if you can to look into problems or just revert back to stable if something is not to your liking 🤷 |
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That’s my plan. I’ve got a list 😊 |
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We do want feedback, will help to either fix things or give ideas for things that need to be emphasized in the beta release notes |
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Great job. That looks amazing so far. Are there any configuration changes that need to be made before switching from v0.13 to 0.14 dev? |
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It looks like the config migration didn't like something in my config file because frigate won't start after changing to v14. |
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Do you have a decimal as one of your points? Otherwise I may have just missed something when working on the conversion to relative coordinates |
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I don't see anything, but I'll send you my config via a discord DM just in case. |
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Perfect |
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This same problem. If anybody resolve this problem please describe how. My ovinf config https://pastebin.com/dmSkGepa 2024-05-11 19:02:07.549507734 invalid literal for int() with base 10: '0.0' |
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This looks awesome. I would like to see a password protected UI just to keep people from casually getting into the config or camera feed. |
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There's already a feature request. See #1074 |
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With the Home Assistant/MQTT Integration, will there be different events published for an "alert" as opposed to a "detection" and "motion" events? |
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Naturally the messages are not 1:1 |
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alright, trying to play around with Notifications in HA for alerts as opposed to events. Have you implemented notifications based on the alerts part of the /reviews endpoint at all? |
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you can not use a review ID for the event clips / snapshots. As part of the payload there is a list of |
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Ooh the new preview gif and MP4 files would be nice! |
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home assistant integrations are not compiled, you only need to add a few lines to make it work blakeblackshear/frigate-hass-integration#664 |
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Firstly thanks so much for being constantly active here and listening to your needs. I guess I will have to eat the dog shit like I promised! lol. One thing: I absolutely love that I can scroll through the timeline and see all the events from all the cameras in sync. But what I really, really need (since I don't use events) is a timeline with a playhead where I can set the playhead at a specific place on the timeline and ALL the cameras will sync up to that specific point, then I want to press Play All and see all the cameras play in sync together. Please please please please I beg you to implement this. As I explained in a previous post, I live in Europe and it's very common to live in townhouses where your doorstep is level with the sidewalk and just have a meter of distance between your front porch and the sidewalk, with people walking by the detections are moot because an urban neighborhood of townhouses will see hundreds of people walking past the door every day just to go to work etc. So as you can imagine, in situations like that when the timeline is saturated with motion events that are merely people walking past the camera, it becomes totally irrelevant and the relevancy is more about being able to quickly play all sources in sync and without stuttering. One thing I suffer with is the stuttering when the player moves from one 10s segment to another. Every time it moves from segment A to segment B to segment C and so on, I get a half-second stutter. The more you increase the playback scale, the more stuttering. It's like a buffering effect. And if you play at 16x kiss bye bye to your sanity! As you will see is incessant stuttering as the player cannot move to the next segment seamlessly. Please for the love of almighty Jesus Christ address this major issue. It's during playback/review that any NVR shines... All NVRs can record, indeed my cameras will happily let me throw all the raw footage into a simple NFS mount. But it is the reviewing itself to find the crucial moments that makes a NVR special. I know you guys focus on detections but seriously your NVR can't be touched in terms of development speed and I sincerely hope you listen to my plight and do it 🙏🏻 God bless. PS. I was just thinking I forgot to mention how exporting easily is equally as important as finding the relevant event in question. Currently I have to use dropdowns to select camera, whether it's live or a timelapse, and then use date/time fields. I wish I could quickly use a timeline to set in/out points just like I can do in a video editing app... put the start handle at the beginning of where I want to export and the finish handle at the end of my export, then select cameras with checkboxes, click "export" and job done, the visual timeline would help a lot. But for those who want to still be exact please include a button to "enter date and time". |
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exporting using handles on the timeline is already implemented as well Screen.Recording.2024-04-29.at.6.42.41.AM.mov |
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@Majestic7979 also one other thing to note, there is a new "loitering time" field that is added to zones. So maybe you will find that you want to use "events" (reviews) now, because you can make it an alert if a person loiters but a detection if the person just walks by. That way you get more information on the timeline of when an object was detected |
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Thanks, I'm very eager to explore and see how it all works with my own footage. And I hope the development goes well :) How do I subscribe to support? Because I don't necessarily need the AI detections/models I don't subscribe to Frigate+, it would be nice to have a basic tier where I just make monthly payments to basically thank you guys for your development and customer service. It would be nice to be able to decide how much I can contribute rather than having a fixed price, that way I could vary based on an ongoing budget. While I'd like to pay for the work, some months would be less, some more, I'd rather give something rather than nothing on those months when budget is tigther. Edit: just saw you addressing the other issues. OMG you guys are freaking amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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@Majestic7979 I've been super impressed with frigate+ detection. Even the base model is leaps and bounds more confident that the yolo model. A huge benefit is that you are given 12 "trainings" that allow you to tweak your model to your specific environment, and at the same time upgrade to newly released base models. You also don't need to keep your subscription active (although it needs to be active to train new models / upgrade to new base models.) Even after you deactivate your subscription, you can still use the superior + models! All that said, I'm really desperately waiting for improvements to the training process, but it still works ok. My issue is mostly with the difficultly in going back over images you've already trained and tweaking them. It's very clumsy at the moment, but I it'll get better. Just giving a recommendation as someone who was very weary of "if it's worth it," and sharing personal camera images that could eventually be used in the base model. I've gotten over it. It's been pretty incredible. (the "free" models are trained on images that are far different than what a security camera sees. By crowd sourcing actual camera images, it's made a far more accurate model.) |
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Thanks for sharing your experience, I'll look into it, I don't know how it works, I don't know if I have to change my config, etc. I'll explore but it's nice to know that there's an advantage to paying apart from just saying thanks for delivering a good product and responsible support, which was my only intention :) |
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I've noticed a recent bump in my Inference speeds since going to 0.14. I have 4 corals and normally run around ~5MS but now I am seeing ~50MS per coral. Wanted to report that here and also provide any additional information if needed. Here is from the metrics page: 
Here is a 7 day trend graph from Prometheus showing the difference: 
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Nothing has changed in this regard. Are you sure you didn't get the cpu model for Frigate+ instead of the coral one |
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Looks like that was the case, Is there something to prevent this from happening in the code or maybe log an alert/error? |
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I've been on I'll probably revert back tomorrow morning (which is a shame as the UI is so much better!) but I thought I'd highlight it incase anyone has a solution before then. |
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I can definitely start a separate discussion but it's the basic Reolink config and there's nothing in the logs after the "TPU found" message (apart from some dodgy messages for my rubbish wifi eufy camera that I've always had). @NickM-27 how would I go about changing the gortc version back so I can rule that out/fix the problem? |
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also are you using different Reolink doorbell config to the documentation provided one?
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https://docs.frigate.video/configuration/advanced#custom-go2rtc-version |
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this is my config cameras:
front_doorbell_cam:
enabled: true
ffmpeg:
inputs:
- path: rtsp://127.0.0.1:8554/front_doorbell_cam?video
input_args: preset-rtsp-restream-low-latency
roles:
- detect
- path:
http://192.168.50.151/flv?port=1935&app=bcs&stream=channel0_main.bcs&user={FRIGATE_RTSP_USER}&password={FRIGATE_DOORBELL_PW}
input_args: preset-http-reolink
roles:
- record |
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Thanks for the config, interesting to see the I should have known better and it was of course Reolinks fault on the audio.... My other Reolink Duo2 was working fine so I thought I'd try restarting the doorbell (I don't use the auto reboot as it fills the Frigate logs with errors) and all is back to normal! Thanks for the quick responses as always though! |
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Can someone confirm that the only way to see snapshots in 0.14, with some kind of date / camera filtering, is through the Media Explorer in HA? I don't see them in Review, only in Frigate+ view, and only if they were not categorized for false positive / negative. Snapshots are a nice way to save a lot of disk space with the ability to check for events longer in the past. Often, the video is not needed if you just want to check if a specific car was here, or the images of the persons who entered the building few days ago. They would still have their place in Review IMHO. |
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Correct, they are not visible elsewhere and this is on purpose.
what you're describing doesn't sound like review, but more like historical search or something else. There will be more interfaces outside of review in future versions |
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Sounds great if this kind of view is available in a future version. But maybe there's some kind of legitimacy for "review" of snapshots only events. Also, maybe some of the Frigate users don't have any video retention at all for some cameras, only snapshots. |
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if you only have a snapshot and no recordings then there is nothing to review. It begins and ends with the snapshot, there is no more insight to be gained. |
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That's what I'm saying. It can be relevant to review images only because all the information you need is the presence of an object in a zone at a specific time. One can see it as "positive" review for things that you actually expect to happen, not for thing that are suspicious and that you need more context. That and like I said, longer review periods for detections. It could be the presence of animal, the passage of a specific car in the street. Things for which you don't need the video. I don't need the full clip of a car passing-by in the street if it can be identified with the snapshot (and maybe its licence plate). |
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I'm on beta2 since 2 days and the new UI is great, even if bringing new "workflows". 3 questions to date :
Thanks ! |
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Ok, my bad, they are ! Thanks ! |
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Good point for the sub labels, it was very useful to filter with them. I hope they'll be back with the zone filter. |
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Is there plans to include the storage metrics being collected and exposing them as sensors in HA Frigate integration? I love the new storage page in 0.14 showing the breakdown per camera. Also as an FYI I just noticed a bug as I was going to check it out and saw each camera is showing XX / 2.08TB when I have 20.01TB recording drive size. Not sure if this is math from 20.01TB / 10 cameras to come up with that number but I could have swore in the diving around in 0.14 in the earlier releases it showed the camera consumption of the total drive space.
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the 2.08TB is showing how much each camera is using out of the total 2.08TB |
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I see.. Thanks! |
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Really enjoying version 0.14...thanks for your work on this. I have a question about the UX of the Review screen. Currently you scroll the timeline, then click on timeframe you're interested and the preview grid is scrolled to match where you have clicked. Why not have the preview grid update as you are scrolling? With more than one screen's worth of alerts/detections, you have to scroll the timeline blindly (or hover and look at thumbnails) until you click to update the grid and see the snapshots for those different times. Could auto-scrolling be added in a future version? |
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I am confused, why are you not just scrolling the list of previews directly? |
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On a related note, the log page does not have a scrollbar at all. This is inconsistent with other pages that have scroll bars (even if they don't function properly). |
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this is working as expected because of the way the log page does lazy loading. The up / down arrows as well as page up / down buttons work |
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Fair question. My desktop mouse doesn't have a scroll feature (the market for left-handed mice is small and lacks many options). Without scroll capability, I have to use the browser scroll bar, and that doesn't function the same as scrolling directly. |
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When using the history view and scrubbing through the timeline it's great to be able to see what is happening on each camera in sync with time - this is a super cool new feature. Is there a way to control which cameras apply to this? I ask because I have more cameras that comfortably fit on the screen. Ideally I would be able to select one of my already defined groups of cameras and scrub the video in sync for that group. In my case I have "outside" cameras and "inside" cameras. When reviewing events outside, I don't need to see the synchronized video from the inside cameras. It would be great if I could select the camera I want to review the timeline history for, and then chose a group that contains the camera (or chose the group then the camera). In this mode I would like to see the video from just the other cameras in the selected group be synchronized as I move through time. |
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like I said (and was shown in the screenshot) this works based on the cameras that are selected in the filter drop down from the review page. Not the group that was selected on the live page |
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OK... but shouldn't that logically carry over as well? |
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Updated in #11742 so the camera group that is selected on the live page will carry over when selecting an alert |
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It does not work for groups with accents (e.g. "Extérieur"). |
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If the group contains the Birdseye camera (only this one, or with others), the bottom previews have issues if this navigation path is used. |
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Little bug: When I use the editor to reorganize my camera group view, if I forget to close it and switch to a different camera group view, it keeps the X instead of switching back to the icons, and nothing is draggable until you press the X and hit the edit button again |
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thanks! fixed in #11742 |
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Hmm, where did you get the time machine?? Fixed 4 minutes before I reported it! Thanks! |
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Not sure if I missed this, but I can't find a way to see any sub labels set in events ? |
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you hover over the chip and it will show the names. Any objects with sub labels set will have a check next to the icon |
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Unsure if need an updated FrigateProxy as on V1.5. However On an Apple iPad When using Review page launched via frigate within Home Assistant the clips only show 1st image and do not play. (Live mode is fine) When using review on iPad through safari http://192.168.60.69:8123/ccab4aaf_frigate-proxy/ingress then everything is fine. Is there a setting within Home Assistant or Frigate Proxy? |
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In Frigate+ view, rounding fails from time to time in the score picker. |
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On the review page, when I want to change the object filter, it only shows the currently enabled object(s), "All labels" and those that also appear in that set of events, but not the rest of labels. I assume this is due to the selection being narrowed down only to what is currently filtered.. I can't decide if that's logical or if it just adds an extra step to selecting a different label (that is not included in the current selection).
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Personally, I don't see the point to show a label in the list, that the user could select, to discover that there's actually nothing to see. |
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What I meant is when you want to select a completely different label.. now you need to select all and then go back again to select the different label(s) you wanted to see instead. A potential solution would be to have the list split in three sections: All Labels (o--) with "filtered" being "appearing in the set currently displayed (selected or not)" |
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I am noticing there are events in the detection section showing "people" or "dog" and the video clearly isn't a person or a dog but there is no corresponding Frigate+ still image showing the bounding box for me to flag it as NOT what it detected it as according to the event side. This isn't ALWAYS the case but in some rare cases I have a detection level event but no corresponding still image to send to Frigate+ to train. I know from the video still image in the detection event section where the area was that was misclassified but if I use the new feature to send an image to Frigate+ I can ONLY mark it as a "good" if mark out the box and declare the label and can't tell Frigate+ this isn't X. |
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Is there a way to, or plans to implement, saving top menu bar selections like camera group or Review (Alerts/Detections/Motion) selections to bookmark them? The URL for the web GUI does reflect these selections, so I'm only able to bookmark the Live, Review, Export, and Frigate+ options from the left side menu and not anything from the top bar. My main use case is bookmarking a camera group for Motion review for my wife, but also so it doesn't take me so many clicks to get to a few frequently-visited views. I searched but couldn't find this mentioned anywhere; though I'm sure it's been addressed. Somewhat related, I've noticed I cannot exclude manually triggered events (via HTTP POST api/events) using the config option |
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It may be possible to bookmark them in the future. This is working as intended, manual events are basically alerts. If you're just using for notifications then I don't see a point in sending it to frigate in the first place |
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Good to hear, thanks!
That makes sense.
Yeah, I could probably figure out a way to record it directly within HA but I don't actually need to record/export the event (just visual verification that Gemini correctly tagged an animal). I figured out how to use the GET vod HTTP request and made a nice dashboard with presets for easier/quicker general video review (very cool feature BTW! It mostly solves my other issue of scrubbing full-res video). I could probably leverage that instead. Creating events and then using the event_id was just easier to manage at the time. |
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Little UI bug I think: When in Frigate+ tab, when sorting descending snapshots show fine. But when sorting ascending (in both date or score) it tries to load but nothing shows up. It works fine when manually selecting a single camera though, so might be related to the amount of results? |
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TLDR: We have completely overhauled the UI for Frigate to focus on specific common user goals. It’s a big change and we hope you love it. This is just where we started, and the new UI isn’t entirely at feature parity with the current release yet.
Updated Documentation
Guided Demo of new UI
We plan to release the first beta soon.
Background
Frigate started as a stateless object detection pipeline for live video fees with information relayed over MQTT to be used in Home Assistant. Initially, I had no intention of building a UI for it. HomeAssistant was the UI. After a few years of releases in January 2021, a community contribution with a basic web UI was made as a part of version 0.8.0. Since then, the UI has always been treated as a basic interface to expose some of the backend information that Frigate was using to detect and track objects. As new features like clips and recordings were added the UI was updated to provide an interface to view them.
A new approach
As Frigate has become more mature, it has evolved from a real time object detection pipeline into an NVR. While it still lacks some of the customization and features from NVR solutions that have existed for longer, many users are migrating from those platforms and using Frigate as their primary NVR solution. However, Frigate’s UI was never designed around specific user goals, nor was any real thought put into the efficiency of accomplishing common tasks.
Frigate+ was created in part to help fund the future development of Frigate. While still in the early phases, the initial revenue from Frigate+ subscriptions created an opportunity to hire outside resources for revamping Frigate’s UI. After looking at various options, I decided to hire Jim Designs.
The Goals
I wanted to design the new UI around specific user goals with the intent to have a UI that allows accomplishing those goals as quickly and efficiently as possible. The following goals are where we started. I expect we will continue to find better ways of accomplishing these goals in the future as well as incorporate additional goals.
What is happening right now and/or what just happened?
The first use case centers around the need to quickly see what is happening or what just happened. Imagine you hear a sound outside, your dog barks, or the doorbell rings and you want to quickly be able to see your cameras.
The new home page for Frigate is intended to be a real time dashboard for your cameras. Recent alerts are represented by animated thumbnails in a filmstrip view above your camera feeds. Your camera images update once per minute when no detectable activity is occurring to conserve bandwidth and resources. As soon as any motion is detected, cameras seamlessly switch to a live stream. In addition, camera groups have been added so you can quickly switch between indoor and outdoor cameras.
Selecting a camera takes you to a new live view where the scroll wheel can be used to zoom in and out.
What happened last night (or the past 24 hours)?
A common use case for security cameras is reviewing last night’s footage for any concerning activity. The first step of that process is checking to see what Frigate detected. In the current UI, this is accomplished by scrolling through your events. Because events are simply low level tracked objects, their time ranges may overlap or still be in progress. This makes it difficult to review a timeline of video without jumping around or watching the same section of video multiple times. If a person walks by with their dog and a car drives by at the same time, you will end up with 3 separate events all with overlapping time ranges. It is difficult to reason about what periods of time you have and haven’t reviewed.
In order to switch to a more timeline oriented review process, we implemented a new area of the app for reviewing video footage. When reviewing, Frigate intelligently identifies parts of your timeline for review by leveraging the underlying data about motion and tracked objects. These time periods are mutually exclusive, so once you have reviewed a portion of the timeline for a camera, it is marked as reviewed.
The other primary focus was on efficiency. We wanted users to be able to review these segments as efficiently as possible. Rather than scrolling through a timeline and trying to align a single point with an indication of activity, we implemented a scrollable grid of thumbnails alongside a timeline. Hovering (or swiping on mobile) over the thumbnails will start a preview playback for the segment inline. You can also grab the progress bar to scrub through the segment.
After watching a segment, it is marked as reviewed.
Lastly, not all segments are created equal. Video of people who enter your property are a different priority than those walking by on the sidewalk. By default, all person and car objects are considered alerts. You can refine what ends up in the alert tab by configuring required zones for your events.
Was anything missed last night?
In the current release, there isn’t a way to see motion activity on a timeline and watch video at that time. The ability to scrub video for things Frigate missed has been one of the most common feature requests.
Within the Motion tab of review, you can now scrub through the timeline for all cameras simultaneously with a timeline showing relative motion activity.
In order to avoid scrubbing over time periods already included in alerts and detections, you can scrub in motion only mode.
Other Notable Improvements
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